Sometimes the Roman Catholic Church puts everything into exaggeration, without drilling down the details, first.

As for the bill, let's just say that, maybe there are some loopholes and setbacks with respect to theological aspect, but I don't think those are worth for a reason, it doesn't necessarily mean that enacting such bill would incline the Filipino community into immorality.

I guess the effect of the bill, given it is already approved and completely implemented, would somehow create good results practically, and economy-wise.

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Koedaos [47:52] Renaissance Wine

Rock band, performance poets, figures of worship.. rock icons.

hello, simbahan kaya yang nilalabanan nila... vatican nga ata hindi rin sang-ayon jan, so philippine catholic church pa kaya, na sumusunod sa mga paraang ng nasa itaas (vatican, pope)... sa akin, medyo di din naman ako sang-ayon... well, kung wala na talagang paraan, edi ipatupad ang batas, kung meron pa namang mga ways, edi mag-observe muna...

^^^ Who says there's a fight between those two independent bodies? I prefer to call it, constructive criticism. The Phil. government and the Roman Catholic Church have their own thoughts about the bill, idealistically.

Again, as for me, I think the practical reason weighs more justifiable than the theological approach, it would all depend upon each of our thinking whether we choose to go astray religiously given the bill is approved. I suggest the Roman Catholic Church should help the government enlighten the Filipino people that, the said bill would not go way beyond the Roman Catholic's teachings.

Oh well, what can I say, I think that thought is near to impossible. With that great diversity separating both parties, we cannot hope for unity for the common good with some isolated cases, like such.

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Koedaos [47:52] Renaissance Wine

Rock band, performance poets, figures of worship.. rock icons.

well, diba may division dapat between the church and the state? (tama ba?) para sa akin ayos lang kung iinform nila ang tao, tao pa rin ang magdedecide kung anu ang gagawin niya o hindi. Kung magaling ang simbahan, makikiayon ang tao sa simbahan kahit anu man ang maipasang bill sa kongreso.

nakakalungkot diyan e sigurado bay 2010 ata 100 million na ang tao sa Pilipinas

sa komisyon na naghahandle sa mga population studies na yan, out of 7 members ate, 3 ang galing sa simbahan

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i will not fail, i will not fail
emphasis spoken, what FAITH has driven

okay lang sa akin tong bill na to. di naman to mag le-lead sa abortion eh or whatever issue they want to attach to it.
kaya ka nga gagamit ng contraceptives, mapa natural man or hinde is to prevent you from getting unwanted pregnancy. unwanted pregnancy is the one that causes abortion. act of celibacy ba daw ang solusyon sabi ng church? well times are changing. even the church have their own scandals na pilit nila tinatago.
i believe in god, pero i really don't believe in organized religion.

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minsan OA talaga ang simbahan.. hindi naman ginawa ang bill na ito para i-promote ang abortion kundi para mas bigyan ng kaalaman ang mga kababaihan tungkol sa pagbubuntis..

hindi kaya nila naiisip na patuloy ang pagdami ng populasyon sa pilipinas at patuloy din ang pagdami ng mga batang babae na nabubuntis dahil sa kakulangan sa edukasyon tungkol sa pagbubuntis..

hayz ano na kaya mangyayari sa pilipinas kung palagi na lang ganito ang simbahan..

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siggy by kawaiitenshi

we should consider this alternative minsan and simbahan sobra na. kung maghirap ba ang bansa cla ba lumulutas? hindi. all they do is critisism. hirap talag why not let it be nalang... it's for the people naman so our country would suffer less.

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Great power come's with great responsibilities....

reproductive education ang kailangan ng mga pilipino ndi batas... and para sa simbahan ndi dapat sila makialam sa ganitong mga bagay dahil unang una ndi lahat ng mga pilipino ay katoliko madaming religion dito satin na masasagasaan ng pakikialam nila...

dapat naman tlgang maipasa na ang bill na toh, para sa atin din naman to. dapat tayong mga pinoy di masyadong dumepende sa sabi ng simbahan, alam naman natin na may diyos at naniniwala naman tayo sakanya.., pero di alam ng simbahan kung bat patuloy tayong naghihirap, lumalaki na kasi masyado ang population natin mga pinoy, sama mo na yung 2 anak ko in 18yrs old i have 2 kids already. kasi nga walang batas dito sa pinas na makakaresolve ng problema, bait kamo andyan yung mga simbahan na humahadlang sa mga batas ng gobyerno sama mo na yung mga matatandang sinungaling.

kaya sana naman ma ipatupad na yang batas na yan kawawa lang yung batang lalabas kasama panatin silang magugutom. panu yung mga walang TV sa bahay awts..

yun lang peace po! opinion lang..

tama po si @jingo - why don't we have it a try? ...just like a software program..kpag walang benefits sa end-user they terminate the project but if its very useful then they create version 2 , version 3 and so on...

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I am a Catholic, and I am an advocate of Pro-Life. I understood the importance of life and love because I have undergone a past without it. I am a person with same-sex attractions, a former homosexual if you may put it that way. I have been through a life of sexual promiscuity and intense emotional dependencies, and I have done homosexual practices in an unsafe society. I have been deep into the homosexual lifestyle looking for love and thought I was enjoying life - but I was wrong. Life literally was drawn from me through my sexual conduct and I was not finding true love anywhere. Only when I found the strength from Above to finally stop having sex did I find truth, life and love. Chaste friendships is what I needed. I came back to life after that dark past.

The reproductive health bills and the promotion of modern contraceptives has no other ultimate end but the sexual liberation of society. Promoting 'safer sex' invites the Filipino to explore the immense possibilities of perverting the sexual faculty of man without the responsibilities that accompany it. And why not? Mass communications has already laid the seedbed for promiscuity thanks to the glaring use of pornography in advertising, primetime television and "indie films". And there is no legislative measure passed against such violation of censorship - labeling everything as "a work of art". I have learned the homosexual lifestyle through pornographic materials, and no one has placed their foot down on the industry of pornography even just for the sake of the future generations. And the solution that you present to us? - Bring in the condoms and IUD's and pills for our parents (and our kids) to have 'safe sex'.

These are the three points that I hope you will consider:
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1. There is no such thing as SAFE SEX

Condoms do not protect against HIV-AIDS and other viruses that carry sexually transmitted diseases since these viruses are more "filtrating" (able to pass through) than sperms.

IUD's are floated in the uterus of the woman that kills any ovum that wants to attach itself to the placenta (there are cases wherein the ovum survives the IUD but when the growing fetus comes across the IUD, it kills the baby in the womb.

Pills are known to carry ingredients that cause breast cancer and other related diseases.

Unsuccessful contraception leads to abortion - that is why modern contraceptive methods are abortifacients.

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2. Population control is not the answer to Poverty

Most countries view people as a natural resource. There is potential in every human person. Why is it that we will start treating new born babies as "liabilities" and not as "assets"? Because most of them are born in poor families? Is it not the responsibility of the government to train its people to become productive citizens of the land?

When things get tough, we can easily point fingers at the poor. But what does the poor have? Nothing. And that is why we throw the blame at the growing population of the poor just because they have nothing - because we have taught them nothing about how to be productive citizens of the land - because we give dole outs to them and especially prey on them during elections using guns, goons and gold to get their votes. And then we blame them for knowing nothing.

The root cause of poverty lies in our very backyard - corruption. And it is easier to cut off the population than to cut off corruption. But corruption is the main cause why vital services to the poor are not being met, why countless children of the poor are left uneducated or under-educated, why opportunities are not being offered (except for dole-outs) to the poor to enable them to stand on their own and make themselves productive for the sake of their families and their land.

Gawad Kalinga gives us a glimpse of the answer to poverty. Being on the field as concerned citizens (if not legislators) helping our brothers and sisters get rid of their "slum mentality" and learning the tricks of different trades (education, housing, livelihood, health, community development) that will enable them to be independent.

Or is it because we want them to remain dependent?

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3. Countries that promoted contraceptives are now reaping the side effects

Have you ever heard of "birth dearth"? How the countries of developed nations that have adopted the contraceptive policy years ago are now undergoing lower birth rates? Have you noticed why many Filipinos are being hired abroad as nurses and care givers because of their aging population? How families are now being prioritized for immigration because of the lack of families in the developed countries? People are the nation's pride and greatest resource. Yet some nations are now missing its mark on population.

Cases of AIDS and sexually transmitted diseases are growing in enormous proportions in countries that have adopted the contraceptive stand. "In 1984 Thailand had 112 cases of AIDS, the Philippines had 135 cases. In 2003, after Thailand embraced the 100% Condom Use Program they had 750,000 cases of AIDS, versus the Philippines having only 1,935 cases." (The Case Against Condoms by Dr. Brian Clowes - HLI).

Are we to follow their path? Are we dumb to follow a path that was traveled by others and have failed?
Just because other countries have adopted such a policy doesn't mean we have to follow suit.

Or are we inclined to do such just because international policy demands we do it, otherwise loans and financial help will not come? Are we to sacrifice our people just because big companies that support the contraceptive industry where we get financial help are requiring us to do so?

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More than a moral issue, this is an issue of loyalty and trust towards the Filipino people.
I have presented some points for your consideration as objectively as possible, though I may not be able hide my sentiments since this is also a personal issue for me as a Filipino and as a man of God.

My opinion, no to contraceptive and yes contraceptives is a tool for population control. Lack of sex education to the youth or poor and less educated on sex is also the nations problem. I admit, I may not well educated on sex or marriage.

I mentioned no, for me to know why or what are those reasons of our catholic church. My reason is not base of what's on the bible or any religious beliefs/understanding. It is the couple's possible effect on their perspective with relationship or marriage.

How would affect the intensity or strength of their relationship for a couple in the future? What are the means that will bring instability of their relationship? Does a person will be more responsible to their health for their love? Does those people who have everything and can do anything (or done everything) will get bored at the end, will it bring the same effect on those who use contraceptives? How the contraceptives would have something to do with divorce?


Well this are the questions I want to know.

separate ang Church and State in terms of Governance.. marami pa ring Catholic sa ating bansa at yun ang concern ng Church.. being a catholic we must be pro life... marami namang natural method eh.. Just have descipline and being responsible lang tapos ang problema...

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[70:19] Kohlantha, [69:19] Landokian, [71:19] Alkemiya, [70:22] Pilipinas

Sana maintindihan nating lahat ang tungkol dito...lumulobo na ang dami ng tao lalo na sa pilipinas...

on the other hand, pwede try rin yung natural method...

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CouragePH said:
I am a Catholic, and I am an advocate of Pro-Life. I understood the importance of life and love because I have undergone a past without it. I am a person with same-sex attractions, a former homosexual if you may put it that way. I have been through a life of sexual promiscuity and intense emotional dependencies, and I have done homosexual practices in an unsafe society. I have been deep into the homosexual lifestyle looking for love and thought I was enjoying life - but I was wrong. Life literally was drawn from me through my sexual conduct and I was not finding true love anywhere. Only when I found the strength from Above to finally stop having sex did I find truth, life and love. Chaste friendships is what I needed. I came back to life after that dark past.

since youve willingly devulge this information, i would like to know if youre still gay. can you have a sexual relationship with the opposite sex? if you answered yes to both questions. the church you love discriminates your kind. as far as the bible is concern, youll rot in hell.

The reproductive health bills and the promotion of modern contraceptives has no other ultimate end but the sexual liberation of society.

we've been bombarded with contraceptives since i cant remember when and filipinos still talks about sex in private. youre looking to far into the horizon, sister.

Promoting 'safer sex' invites the Filipino to explore the immense possibilities of perverting the sexual faculty of man without the responsibilities that accompany it.

you mean to say when you hear somebody teach about how to use condom it teaches you to do be a pervert?
sex is a fact of life. with or without this kind of bill everybody can be a pervert.

And why not? Mass communications has already laid the seedbed for promiscuity thanks to the glaring use of pornography in advertising, primetime television and "indie films".

thanks to your kind. i mean the gays. almost all of them responsible for this kind of movies are gays.
And there is no legislative measure passed against such violation of censorship - labeling everything as "a work of art".

I have learned the homosexual lifestyle through pornographic materials, and no one has placed their foot down on the industry of pornography even just for the sake of the future generations.

your fault.

And the solution that you present to us? - Bring in the condoms and IUD's and pills for our parents (and our kids) to have 'safe sex'.

if i give you a knife, would that mean you have to use it to cut your wrist? this is about choice.
besides health clinics in the Philippines have been giving out free condoms and pills long ago. the bill would just make the government allocate funds for it since currently we depend on charity works and funds from other countries.

1. There is no such thing as SAFE SEX

Condoms do not protect against HIV-AIDS and other viruses that carry sexually transmitted diseases since these viruses are more "filtrating" (able to pass through) than sperms.

how about a study regarding this?
besides condom is not primarily used to protect you from AIDS, it was made to catch the sperm.

IUD's are floated in the uterus of the woman that kills any ovum that wants to attach itself to the placenta (there are cases wherein the ovum survives the IUD but when the growing fetus comes across the IUD, it kills the baby in the womb.

defective feeding bottles can kill a baby.
do you see youre logic here?

Pills are known to carry ingredients that cause breast cancer and other related diseases.

you mean all of them in the market?
dont you think the FDA should be blame for this?
do you know that implants can cause breast cancer?
again the logic...

Unsuccessful contraception leads to abortion - that is why modern contraceptive methods are abortifacients.

unsuccessful operations leads to many problems. that is why modern medical operation methods are killers.
logic...

2. Population control is not the answer to Poverty

Most countries view people as a natural resource. There is potential in every human person. Why is it that we will start treating new born babies as "liabilities" and not as "assets"? Because most of them are born in poor families? Is it not the responsibility of the government to train its people to become productive citizens of the land?

says who? the bishop? hihihi

it is not the responsibility of the government to make you rich either.
more than 3 kids in poor family and if they create more it becomes a liability. besides are you aware that in the philippines nowadays, the middle class that we call is actually now part of the poor? what we are having now is poor and rich. no middle class.

When things get tough, we can easily point fingers at the poor. But what does the poor have? Nothing. And that is why we throw the blame at the growing population of the poor just because they have nothing - because we have taught them nothing about how to be productive citizens of the land - because we give dole outs to them and especially prey on them during elections using guns, goons and gold to get their votes. And then we blame them for knowing nothing.

i give you P500, feed your 20 kids.
whether we are rich country or not, overpopulation is a problem. its something to be addressed.

The root cause of poverty lies in our very backyard - corruption. And it is easier to cut off the population than to cut off corruption. But corruption is the main cause why vital services to the poor are not being met, why countless children of the poor are left uneducated or under-educated, why opportunities are not being offered (except for dole-outs) to the poor to enable them to stand on their own and make themselves productive for the sake of their families and their land.

everybody knows that. dont you think a correctly managed population would do us good?
would you rather have a corrupt overpopulated country than a corrupt country with no population problem?

3. Countries that promoted contraceptives are now reaping the side effects

Have you ever heard of "birth dearth"? How the countries of developed nations that have adopted the contraceptive policy years ago are now undergoing lower birth rates? Have you noticed why many Filipinos are being hired abroad as nurses and care givers because of their aging population? How families are now being prioritized for immigration because of the lack of families in the developed countries? People are the nation's pride and greatest resource. Yet some nations are now missing its mark on population.

this is BS. even if we have two child policy till 2020, we'd still have plenty of workforce. this is just a reproductive health bill. not the two child policy.
and we are hired because our labor is cheap.

Or are we inclined to do such just because international policy demands we do it, otherwise loans and financial help will not come? Are we to sacrifice our people just because big companies that support the contraceptive industry where we get financial help are requiring us to do so?

sacrifice our people? wtf!

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